接下来再说说别的:
戈斯曼(Grossmann)的理论非常优秀而且易懂,更何况他的著作可获得性很高,但是对于“瑞士马式擒纵”这一名词的诞生年份可能存在缪误(原作说是1869年,实际上应该是1890年代)。 Kemp的“英式芝麻链马式擒纵表”(The English Fusse Lever Watch) 一书中也有很多有关马式擒纵进化史的内容而且在年份上更精确,这本书很珍贵,但值得去找。
完成作者: nomorewatch 时间: 2012-11-4 16:08
If he went through a classic apprenticeship program, he would have started at the age of 14 and served 7 years. That would make him a journeyman at the age of 21. Typically, for someone with his obvious talents, he would have been a master 5 or 6 years later. However, it seems he got involved in politics, so that may have deferred his education and development. I have never heard of any work he produced before coming to the U.S. nor have I heard who his master may have been.
It is possible that he was self taught and his work might support that view. It is highly idiosyncratic. This view is supported by Paul Chamberlain's account in It's About Time where Fasoldt is described as having the rank of Captain in the 19th Regiment of the Revolutionary Army. However, he was born in Dresden and his son's obituary states that he, Otto H. Fasoldt, was the 3rd generation of watchmakers in his family, which implies that Charles' father was also a watchmaker.
Fasoldt had a rather large operation in Albany, NY with 50 employees according to Chamberlain. He was engaged in many different technical enterprises in addition to watchmaking. His optics were likely more significant at the time with the ability to produce 12,000 lines/inch diffraction gratings.作者: nomorewatch 时间: 2012-11-4 16:11 本帖最后由 nomorewatch 于 2013-9-11 20:46 编辑
完成作者: nomorewatch 时间: 2012-11-4 16:12
I have a Hamilton 950B which is very good and a vintage Vacheron and Constantin made for the railroad trade that are very good. I have not rate many of them because it is time consuming. My Gruen up down is also very good. I rate them by comparing them daily and calculating the variance. I am primarily concerned with constant rate rather than what it is.
English keyless fusee watches have a lot of the winding built into the case. I have a recased Kullberg that is a very respectable in rate. The trick there is that to run reliably in the pocket the crown has to disconnect unless it is being wound. most of this is under the dial but there are often buttons that have to operated to wind and set.
You can get superb timekeeping for well under $1000. Hamilton 992B's and 950b's are very very good. In the $5k and up range you are getting exotic and rare. All the high end Swiss stuff in good reapir is very good and if you get a watch with a Kew A certificate or a First Class bulletin. If I had $25K to spend I'd get a Patek or Vacheron competition watch and have it overhauled and regulated by them. TheEnglish stuff of that era is almost as good but the makers are now long gone, although the current Frodsham people seem to be well regarded so a Kew rate Frodsham is also a candidate.
Modern mechanical wrist watches are also very good.作者: nomorewatch 时间: 2012-11-4 16:12
Discussing the Nardin Freak on this board crosses several boundaries but I believe the NAWCC has to better connect with fans of modern high end and not quite so high end wrist watches. I’ll try to keep my response within the interest area of the topic and the thread
I have been intrigued with the Freak in several of its variants, especially the exotic materials versions.. They have broken a lot of ground in the area of super materials and fabrication processes . Patek Philippe copying this kind of effort is a very high complement. I think it’s great that this is viable market niche but its not for me for several reasons
The first is cost. For what one of these costs I can buy several old watches I would rather own. My preference for the older watches is because they were made when people placed serious reliance on their performance. If you were running railroad, navigating a ship or running time sensitive business, you relied on your watch.
For what Freak level watch costs, I could buy several competition watches that in their day were the most accurate timepieces in existence.
The other reason for my preference is historic significance
Many very high grade old watches carry inscriptions that tie them to people who were very significant and left records of what they did.
I have learned a lot about people I have found very interesting after I obtained their watch. They are not the major celebrities but one was the man who arranged to bring the Statue of Liberty to the US. Another was the developer of the cable used for the trans-Atlantic telegraph, another gave insight into the personal life of a significant leader of the US women’s suffrage movement. Another watch led to learning about the way Insurance underwriters rewarded Captains who prevented major losses. This is the subject of an article to be in the November Watch and Clock Billetin.
I spend a lot of very enjoyable time at this and to hold or wear something that these people carried is source of deep enjoyment.
A problem for me if I obtained a fabulous super mint watch there is no real follow up. I may wear but it woudl be rarely. Preserving it requires that I lock it away. I don’t get a lot of enjoyment in that. I do enjoy tracking down significant people who owned and carefully used fine watches
I can get over dozen of these for what a watch like a Freak costs. I respect people who enjoy these but I’ll get about 90% of the enjoyment I’d get owning one by admiring it on some else’s wrist or in a shop display or an on line animation. I think it’s a marvelous thing and with unlimited funds I might be tempted.
That’s my view, but, as I began, all us watch enthusiasts need to play nicely together so I would enjoy learning what attracts you to this watch but this might be better placed in the wrist watch foru
Today’s super wristwatches are accessories, if they are worn at all. Its sad since I believe todays high end watches are at least as fine as the old ones and I like supporting this kind of work.作者: nomorewatch 时间: 2012-11-4 16:12
I do not own a Freak, but I am pretty sure that those who do consider them daily wear watches, not something locked in a safe. This will not likely get a discussion here because the owners do not participate on our Message Board.
I think this is a matter of community. We do not seem to make this board a very welcoming place for the wealthy. I am sure we have some wealthy participants here, but I think less than the proportional numbers in society,
I also think that the wealthy of today who collect watches or admire them look at wristwatches rather than pocket watches so any who are here may be reading the wristwatch forum. Our WatchDig web site is intended to attract those with a primary interest in wristwatches such as the Freak.作者: nomorewatch 时间: 2012-11-4 16:13
The most intergrated case is the Potter designed Charmilles in which the case is also the top plate. This was made by Potter as a "dollar watch". This is less true of the Waterbury Rotary watches but to quite as integrated. One thing abotu dolalr watches they are rarely if ever recased and if so not into standard cases.
It's not so much integrated but Vacheron made some watches in aluminum cases.
Also there are some Ekegren watches with lever or button setting from the back. I imagine that there is quite a biut of case integration on these but I have yet to handle one.
Kullberg made some watches that also required opening the back to set them but I am not so clear as to how they worked but they mst have some mechanism in the case.
One other example is the Movado Ermeto watches. These have a case that slides opens from two sides which slide apart to expose the face. This action also woinds the watch via a ratchet. Some of these are chronometer grade.
There are a few similar watches that wind by opening the back but some one else will have to come up with the makers.作者: 混江龙 时间: 2012-11-4 17:32
好家伙,全英文,有些费劲。作者: zzhzj0714 时间: 2012-11-4 21:44
分开我都认识,连起来一个单词都不认识作者: nomorewatch 时间: 2012-11-5 01:23
完成作者: nomorewatch 时间: 2012-11-6 05:44
Why the obsession with escapement lubrication? So long as the train needs to be cleaned and lubricated, cleaning and lubricating the escapement is only a detail. Good timekeeping begins at the mainspring (I can't remember who said that, but it's as true as it ever was).
A marine chronometer's spring detent escapement was lubricant free but Gould recommends servicing every three years - a practice that was followed in the Royal Navy and I suspect the US Navy too. 作者: nomorewatch 时间: 2012-11-6 05:45 本帖最后由 nomorewatch 于 2013-9-11 21:07 编辑
完成作者: haru 时间: 2012-11-6 08:48
这么多翻译起来还是有点工作量的啊作者: nomorewatch 时间: 2012-11-6 10:01
只是为了日后可以更好地进行交流作者: tiaobaojjgg 时间: 2012-11-9 19:43
提示: 作者被禁止或删除 内容自动屏蔽作者: nomorewatch 时间: 2012-11-10 13:07
I have a high regard for American watches evidenced by the many that I own. The simple fact is that no American maker with the possible exception of the Edward Howard made a first class lever, one with a detachable safety finger. This is not essential to time keeping performance and for their purposes, the American industry did marvelously well. The Edward Howard also introduced the ancestor of the gyromax balance. Hamilton's uniformity and fit and if finish were wonderful and their super elinvar was as good as it gets .
As I wrote before, I doubt the lever on the Edward Howard was US made but its balance was invented here n the US and probably made here. My problem is that too many people like it too much so it costs a lot more than watches i would enjoy as much or more.
That all said no US maker ever won a Swiss or English time trial. Waltham did win at Philadelphia and Sydney but never won a formal "concours"
Great things happened in the US but for my money the best watches were made in England, France, Switzerland and Germany. To state the US watches did not meet those standards is not to say they are bad.
It's an opinion. It's also how I spend my money. I think a clean Waltham 72 American grade or an Elgin 21 j Convertable or an Edward Howard is a very fine item I would like to own. My problem is that for that money I could get two or three Louis Audemars or a an even less known maker watch that is better with no questions about whether it has been switched or re-cased or otherwise done over.
I like a watch I can something with after I get it. For a very fine watch by a maker I don't know I can look into their history. i usually find they competed in time trials.
Sometimes I get one with an interesting owner or set o owners, After you get that mint in the box one of three mistakes made by the factory what do you do with it?
I have had many a watch take me on an interesting journey. A very few of these were US made but the really interesting dead people I have met through their watches liked the same high grade foreigb watches I seek.
I am delighted that others buy other things. 作者: nomorewatch 时间: 2012-11-10 13:07
daily wear
My most used daily watch is an IWC Ingenieur 3521. Its a much more interesting watch than the current models but I did buy it new.
I like it because i combines super antimagnetic, inner case and a shock proofing mounting on a failry small watch. Any fool can make one of these as a huge watch. It also has a platinum rotor. It uses the same movement as the AP Royal Oak,a and a Patek sort watch and all three are successful Gerald gent designs. I think the IWC is the best of them and the most rugged.
I bought my IWC through Silvermagic in 2000. The company has been sold but whenI dealt withthem they ghad excellent pricing and were reliable and highly regarded. YOU wil lahve to check them out they may be good source for your Freak.
I also wear an Waldan 7751 but it now needs service so it's out of action. I am wearing my RGM 801 a modern American made wrist watch. Mine is free sprung, i think th only one of these they made.
When travel over seas I wear my Tissot titanium multifunction quarts. Its the same movement as as the Breitling Aerospace but it started as a Tissot. I also carry an American pocekt watch usally a Hamilton 992b ir 950b. I like to carry something good but replaceable. I love showing peopel I meet th egret things American makers did even if I don;t thing they were the best.
The Tissot Titanium movement is very nicely thought out. I bought it on eBay but it had stem problems which i fixed. I was essentially dumped as an unrepairable return. That happens a lot on eBay but if yu know how or have a good repairer you can do well.
Railroad Grade Howard Series 11It was pocket watches, specifically a Columbus Watch Company pocket watch, that got me interested in watch collecting. The watch was made 130 years ago within walking distance of my home. I never realized Columbus had a watch company and started researching it.
But it was Ray MacDonald that got me interested in this Howard watch. He called it the Patek Phillippe of American pocket watches. I was amazed. It does show incredible workmanship. And, though I could never afford a Patek, I could afford this Howard!
(Seller's pics... more later!)
The driving force behind this watch was the railroad industry. After the Civil War, American railroads exploded. They replaced rivers as the main mode of transportation and became an everyday part of life. They forced the 1883 standardization of time zones (in the US) to simplify scheduling.
Most rail lines were single track. Two way operations were done by scheduling one train to switch off the mainline onto a siding while another train passed. This required accurate timekeeping. But in 1891 a four minute error in an Engineer’s watch caused a wreck that resulted in the death of nine people in Ohio.
To address the problem the railroad hired W.C. Ball, a Cleveland jeweler. On his recommendation they adopted a minimum standard that all watches used by Engineers, Conductors, and other trainmen needed to meet. Ball went on to codify the 1893 General Railroad Timepiece Standards and the Railroad Watch came into being.
A Railroad Standard Watch has two basic objectives: Accuracy and Usability. In general most standards encompassed the following:
18 or 16 size
Fitted with 17 or more jewels
Temperature compensated
Adjusted to 5 positions
Lever Set
Timed to +/- 30 sec/week
Fitted with a: Double roller, Patented regulator, Steel escape wheel
Have plain white dial with: Black Arabic numerals, Each minute delineated
Open face
Configured with the winding stem at 12 O’Clock
A further refinement was the Montgomery Dial developed by Henry S. Montgomery for the Santa Fe Railway System. It requires each minute be numbered, every 5 minutes to be in red, and the 6 hour to be marked even if it is in the seconds subdial.
The resultant Railroad Grade watch is an accurate, very readable and very usable time keeper which the employee was expected to buy with their own money. (The railroads conducted regular inspections to assure all watches being used met Railroad Standards.)
The specific example I have is a Howard Series 11, a 21 jeweled watch built in Boston MA specifically as a Railroad Standard watch. Indeed the movement is labeled as a Railroad Chronometer. It has a simple Keystone case which lacks any ornamentation and is only 10KT RGP. It is a working man’s watch which an Engineer or Conductor had to pay $100 to buy in 1913, the approximate manufacture date. In 1913 that was more than a month’s wages for its buyer. (The low cost case in this example kept the price down but this was still one of Howards’ more expensive watches. A 14KT solid gold case on this movement only doubled the price. The base movement was expensive.) The watches were often bought on credit. So nothing fancy, just the basics – except for the movement.
The movement is a thing of beauty and a joy forever… Built to last… Built to be accurate. This Howard times today as follows:
After 95 years it is still pretty healthy but it is not meeting Railroad Specifications and needs adjusting… I’ll see if my watchmaker wants to take on that task. He might just for the fun of working on a Howard. Then again, I might not be able to afford it (see the thread on adjusting!).
作者: nomorewatch 时间: 2013-1-19 01:48
My collection has the theme of portable precsion time keeping. I don't buy watches made before they were good time keepers and not much after quartz came alson although I have a few precision quartz watches.
In American Watches this includes railroads becuase of the the contribution these made to precision time keeping. It includes chronometers, US and English as well as torpedo boat watches by US, Swiss and English and Russuan makers.
I also like a good looking watch. To me signs of honorable service are a plus. I have an 18 size Bunn Special with colored gouges in its dial. They were probably stops on the train the original owner ran.
An occasional hairline ion the dial is not an issue but botchwork on the movement is a disqualifier. I make my buy decision based on the movement so what I want from a case is security.
On my high end Swiss and English pieces, I almost always get them with original cases which is usually easy to do since the serial number often match and the sizes generally were non standard. I don't pay a premium for originality and I'll consider an outstanding movement in a bad case but it has to be a really great movement.
I also collect high grade pendant watches, again those with wonderful movements. I stay away from ornate cases but most are very nicely decorated 18k gold. Usually, a really killer case has a mediocre movement. Not a lot of gold inthese which kept a lot from beign melted and I can get a lot of watch and not tie up my funds in metal.
I like American Swiss and English in this category and love my "ladies" even if they are not quite so precision, although I have many that were made to astounding precision.
I will sometimes take a flyer on something that catches my eye and do research.
I also track down owners and provenance, so personalizations and other engraving add to the fun.
Generally, very fine watches belonged to interesting people and I have "met" a lot of interesting dead people that way.
A lot of people are bored by the technology but get interested in the history. I like watches that lead me on a path to discovery.作者: nomorewatch 时间: 2013-1-21 06:45 本帖最后由 nomorewatch 于 2013-3-24 20:09 编辑