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   发表于 2010-6-21 17:10:00 | 显示全部楼层 |阅读模式
在新加坡举行的Timezone晚餐会上Rolf Schnyder 在解释机芯运转。

cake译文之schen布置的作业

cake译文之schen布置的作业
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发表于 2010-6-21 22:02:00 | 显示全部楼层
多谢cake兄分享好文。呵呵,能者多劳么。本来不敢再随口乱说“希望”之类的话了,不过看到兄台译文如此精彩,就不能保证了...<br/><br/>希望版主为本帖加精。: )<br/>
发表于 2010-6-21 19:23:00 | 显示全部楼层
世界制造把地球变成平的!这是进步的,积极的!
而被某些狭隘的血统论者指三道四,呵呵。固步自封,夜郎自大!

难道一定要连螺丝,螺帽都要自己开厂,开模具,才能称之为自产?
那既便是这样,又有什么意义呢?

nike,iphone都是谁做的呢?会因为made in china,老外就不买???

笑话!

现在想来,那次石英风爆带给他们毁灭性打击,既是偶然的,也是必然的!
 楼主| 发表于 2010-6-21 17:11:00 | 显示全部楼层
<p><font size="4">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 不是很多弟兄对自产机芯这一话题感兴趣,或者感兴趣的时候已经过去了。</font></p>
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<p><font size="3">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 前日转贴,发现schen先生曾提及:<u>另外的那一个帖子中的讨论也很热烈,而且另有好几位重量级人</u></font></p>
<p><font size="3"><u></u></font>&nbsp;</p>
<p><font size="3"><u>物发言,如<font face="Verdana">Rolf Schnyder、<font face="Verdana">Michael Friedberg</font>、<font face="Verdana">eter Chong、<font face="Verdana">Terry Russell、</font><font face="Verdana">Walt Odets,很</font></font></font></u></font></p>
<p><font size="3"><u><font face="Verdana"><font face="Verdana"><font face="Verdana"></font></font></font></u></font>&nbsp;</p>
<p><font size="3"><u><font face="Verdana"><font face="Verdana"><font face="Verdana">精彩。希望兄再辛苦一次,给大家翻译分享。</font></font></font></u></font></p>
<p><u><font size="3"></font></u>&nbsp;</p>
<p><font size="4">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 不觉快一年过去了。昨上午和今午休抽了些时间想完成schen先生的家庭作业,只将“那一个帖子”译了大半。大伙将就看吧。如有不妥、错误或翻译腔过浓处,请不必提出。</font></p>
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<p><font size="4">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </font></p>
<p>&nbsp; </p>
<p align="left"><font size="4">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 下面的贴子是网友们就著名的瑞士手表公司雅典(Ulysse Nardin)的拥有者和总裁Rolf Schnyder 一篇声明的辩论。Rolf Schnyder先生的声明原发在Timezone上。下面是他的声明和大家的辩论的汇总,TZ经典第900号。辩论焦点集中在“自产机芯”和如何判定机芯的准则上。</font></p>
<p align="left"><font size="4"></font>&nbsp;</p>
<p align="left"><font size="4">&nbsp;&nbsp; </font><font size="5"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-fareast-font-family: 宋体; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA">Mike Disher</span></b>:</font></p>
<p align="left"><font size="4">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </font></p>
<p align="left"><font size="4">大家好:</font></p>
<p align="left"><font size="4">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 今早我收到一封雅典(Ulysse Nardin)的拥有者和总裁Rolf Schnyder的电邮。他询问TZ(Timezone, 下同)是否愿意发表一封他的信,我当然同意了。这份声明是关于自产机芯的定义和概念的。下面是这份声明的全文:</font></p>
<p align="left"><font size="4"></font>&nbsp;</p>
<p align="center"><b><font size="4"></font></b>&nbsp;</p>
<p align="center"><b><font size="4">怎样的机芯才真的是自己的机芯?</font></b></p>
<p align="left"><strong><font size="4">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </font></strong></p>
<p align="left"><font size="4">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 这样的业绩能完全归功于发明者富有创意的大脑和负责实施的技术人员或工匠们吗?</font></p>
<p align="left"><font size="4">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 显然,像GMT万能历这样的革命性和新颖的结构是很多人的贡献的结晶。其创意来自雅典自产机芯的思想库,Ludwig Oechslin博士。雅典的技术人员和技师们将新的想法和专利发明转化为成百上千张图纸并形成总体概念,他们在几只原型表上将其功能进行测试。</font><font size="4">&nbsp;&nbsp; </font></p>
<p align="left"><font size="4">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 雅典的技术人员还要负责制造工装、遴选生产齿轮、轴、螺丝、板桥甚至转子的供应厂家。</font><font size="4">如果已有质量可靠、功用适合的轮系,那它就用不着重新设计了。Lemania可以提供满足GMT万能历要求的轮系。</font><font size="4">如果别的公司能按客户定制的公差制造,并且这些公司是这种或那种精密零件的专业厂家,那么投资机器来进行自产齿轮、轴、螺丝或板桥的生产就没有意义。</font></p>
<p align="left"><font size="4">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </font><font size="4">超过50家专业化的供应商按雅典的图纸生产提供零件。雅典对每一个零件进行最终检查并由最资深的制表师在雅典将零件装配成非常复杂的机芯。仅仅每只这款机芯的装配就需16到18小时。我们相信完全有权利称这款机芯为我们自己的机芯。</font></p>
<p align="left"><font size="4"></font>&nbsp;</p>
<p align="left"><font size="4">--------</font></p>
<p align="left"><font size="4"><strong><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-fareast-font-family: 宋体; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA">Richard</span>:</strong></font></p>
<p align="left"><strong><font size="4"></font></strong>&nbsp;</p>
<p align="left"><font size="4">&nbsp;&nbsp;</font><font size="4">&nbsp; 来自这样一家著名手表制造商总裁的帖子非常有意思…….该帖的焦点恰落在近年来TZ上数以百万计讨论的同一话题的核心。&nbsp;</font><font size="4">&nbsp; </font></p>
<p align="left"><font size="4">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Rolf所自信的论断是自产机芯需要一个更宽泛的定义和更开阔的视野。&nbsp; </font></p>
<p align="left"><font size="4">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;这当然是一个我们大家已关注良久并已经得出我们自己结论的话题……但是,我认为ROLF的帖子在自产的概念上提出了新鲜的观点。</font></p>
<p align="left"><font size="4">--------</font></p>
<p align="left"><font size="4"><strong><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-fareast-font-family: 宋体; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA">Bob</span>:</strong></font><font size="4">&nbsp; </font></p>
<p align="left"><font size="4">&nbsp;&nbsp; 是的。对我来说这是自产的。&nbsp; </font></p>
<p align="left"><font size="4">&nbsp;&nbsp; 如果机芯由UN设计,按UN的指标生产,符合UN的质量控制标准,那就是一只UN的机芯。按我想,用不着非得在UN的“屋顶”下生产。</font></p>
<p align="left"><font size="4"></font>&nbsp;</p>
<p align="left"><font size="4">--------</font></p>
<p align="left"><font size="4"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-fareast-font-family: 宋体; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA">John Raba</span></b>:</font>&nbsp;<font size="4"> </font></p>
<p align="left"><font size="4">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 如果UN说的是GMT万能历是完全由他们从草图开始设计但由第三方生产单个零件的话,我认为他们有权利声称机芯是自产的。</font></p>
<p align="left"><font size="4">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 但,另一方面,如果他们使用别人的基础机芯,并将其进行实质性的修改(不论到何种程度),那它就不是一款自产机芯。修改过的机芯或许跟市面上的别的机芯一样好,但也不是他们自己的。</font></p>
<p align="left"><font size="4">----------&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </font></p>
<p align="left"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-fareast-font-family: 宋体; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA">Michael Friedberg</span></b><font size="4">:</font><font size="4">&nbsp;</font></p>
<p align="left"><font size="4">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 重要的是事物的本质,不是事物的名字。</font></p>
<p align="left"><font size="4">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 我想,这事有些咬文嚼字了。这么说不是要贬低SCHNYDER先生这么巧妙的声明也不是要支持他。我们得按机芯本身来进行判断,从创造性、美学、功能和工程的角度来进行。这样分类也许能使我们的理解变得更加容易。但是,机芯自己就可以说明一切。这款GMT万能历给了很好的说明。</font></p>
<p align="left"><font size="4"></font>&nbsp;</p>
<p align="left"><font size="4">----------</font></p>
<p align="left"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-fareast-font-family: 宋体; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA">hil Baker</span></b><font size="4">:</font>&nbsp;</p>
<p align="left"><font size="4">进一步澄清…..</font></p>
<p align="left"><font size="4">我并未完全理解这事。按我的理解,自产机芯的定义是这样的,其设计完全(或大部)在自己进行,也就是说,所有的零件的形状和功能是由草图而创造出来的。现如今,许多产品的许多零件由其它专业公司生产。这并不能否定自产机芯的定义。</font></p>
<p align="left"><font size="4"></font>&nbsp;</p>
<p align="left"><font size="4">----------</font></p>
<p align="left"><font size="4"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-fareast-font-family: 宋体; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA">Jock</span></b>:</font></p>
<p align="left"><font size="4">Schnyder先生的描述同我对现今自产机芯的理解不同。它不只符合我对一只极具创意、质量极佳的机芯的定义。我宁愿一只这样的表,而不要一只符合自产芯定义的手表。</font></p>
<p align="left"><font size="4">但是,我也喜欢Frank Muller 。:-)</font></p>
<p align="left"><font size="4"></font>&nbsp;</p>
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<p align="left"><font size="4"></font>&nbsp;</p>
<p align="left"><font size="4"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-fareast-font-family: 宋体; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA">eter Chong</span></b>:</font></p>
<p align="left"><font size="4">&nbsp; </font></p>
<p><font size="4"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 谢谢</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Rolf</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">的意见。我们在晚餐时讨论过,但我不敢苟同。像</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">hil</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">所言,一只自产机芯应当是一只完全自己设计、靠自己制造的。如果一只表使用了别人的基础轮系或毛坯,它就不是自产的。</span></font></p>
<p><font size="4"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial"></span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-comfficeffice" /><o:p></o:p></span></font>&nbsp;</p>
<p><font size="4"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 这样说的话,一款机芯的价值要靠它的精致程度和附加了多少复杂功能,以及它有多少奇思妙想在其中。一只基于万能历</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Ludwig</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">的</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Lemania</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">机芯要比一只自产的劳力士</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">C</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">。</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">3135</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">机芯更加迷人。但是,想想,</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Ludwig</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">机芯要是完全自产的,尤其是制作精良,上链柔顺的话,那有多么特别。</span></font></p>
<p><font size="4"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial"></span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p></o:p></span></font>&nbsp;</p>
<p align="left"><font size="4"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA">&nbsp;&nbsp; 当然,如果</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 宋体; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA">ETA</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA">的基础轮系能符合要求,非要自己生产的话也没意义。但是,对于高端钟表来说,不正是这些所谓的无意义吸引着我们吗?石英表有意义,机械表没有意义。一只自己设计和制造到基础轮系的自产机芯没有意义,但是它是特别的。我们为之着迷。</span></font></p>
<p align="left"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA"><font size="4"></font></span>&nbsp;</p>
<p align="left"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA"><font size="4">---------</font></span></p>
<p align="left"><font size="5"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial"></span></font><font size="5"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial"></span></font><font size="5"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial"><font size="4"></font></span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p></o:p></span></font>&nbsp;</p>
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<p align="left"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA"><font size="4"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 宋体; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA">hil Baker</span></b>:</font></span></p>
<p align="left"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA"><font size="4"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">&nbsp; 澄清:</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-comfficeffice" /><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size="4"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">(</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">eter Chong</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">说):谢谢</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Rolf</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">的意见。我们在晚餐时讨论过,但我不敢苟同。像</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">hil</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">所言,一只自产机芯应当是一只完全自己设计、靠自己制造的。如果一只表使用了别人的基础轮系或毛坯,它就不是自产的。</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p></o:p></span></font></p></span>
<p align="left"><font size="4">&nbsp;<span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">&nbsp; (</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">hil Baker </span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">说)澄清:我的意见是可以将零件分包出去,但设计一定是自己创造的。类似于</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">C</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">笔记本业务,不同公司的许多笔记本都是由一家主要的制造商</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">/</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">设计公司设计、制造的,但每家电脑公司有其自己的工业设计(表盘),机壳(表壳)并且对基本的个人笔记本电脑增加了一些特色。这样的话,我不会说个人笔记本电脑公司是自家设计的。</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p align="left"><font size="4"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 宋体; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA">Terry Russell&nbsp;</span></b>&nbsp;:</font><font size="4">&nbsp;</font></p>
<p><font size="4"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">&nbsp;&nbsp;<font size="4"> 来自于制造业的意见</font></span></font><font size="4"><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;</span></font></p>
<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial"><font size="4">&nbsp;&nbsp; 我们公司是为汽车行业生产燃油系统的。还没有哪个零件能比柴油机燃油喷嘴更加复杂。其公差在微米级,并且公差带很严。</font></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial"><font size="4"> 我们从不制造无论哪个产品上的哪个单个零件。试图这么做在经济上是自杀。这么做也不会带来任何比我们现在生产的产品要好的结果。</font></span></p>
<p><font size="4"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </span></font><font size="4"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial"><font size="4">像</font></span></font><font size="4"><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">UN</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">一样,所有的零件来自我们自己的设计,按我们的指标生产。我们甚至要求我们的供应方按特定的制造过程去生产。在我们的客户眼里,我们是最终产品的生产商,认为我们是负责任的公司。</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p align="left"><font size="4">&nbsp;&nbsp;</font><font size="4"><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <font size="4">UN</font></span></font><font size="4"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">所说的对我来说很正常。我认为某款机型是否是自产的取决于在制造这款机型是有多少智力投入。对我来说,机芯是设计、技艺和具体实施的集大成。</span></font></p>
<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial"><font size="4"></font></span>&nbsp;<span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial"><font size="4">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 生产零件的机器在哪里对我如何界定是否自产的这一特殊事例来说是我次要关心的事情。只有在使用现成的标准轮系能造成在功能或质量上的让步时,我认为这是一个糟糕的决定。</font></span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial"><font size="4"></font></span>&nbsp;<span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial"><font size="4">&nbsp;&nbsp; 我们或许想让我们手表的所有零件由一家生产,但是经济附加值是同这样做成反比的。也许,这恰恰是将百达翡丽、积家等公司不能每年都冒出来崭新机芯的原因。朗格接下来如何做还得让时间说话,但我猜想他们会使用现有机芯一段时间,以便能使其投入资金回笼。毕竟,他们是一家制造公司。</font></span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial"></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial"><font size="4">--------</font></span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial"></span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p><b><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 宋体; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA">Richard</span></b><font face="Verdana" size="4">:</font></o:p></span></p>
<p><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p><font size="4"><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 宋体; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA">Terry </span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA">你好!</span></font></o:p></span></p>
<p><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p><font size="4">&nbsp;&nbsp;</font><font size="4"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">&nbsp;&nbsp; <font size="4">我太同意你的观点了。</font></span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size="5"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">&nbsp;&nbsp;<font size="4"> 我们从不制造无论哪个产品上的哪个单个零件。试图这么做在经济上是自杀。。这么做也不会带来任何比我们现在生产的产品要好的结果。</font></span></font></o:p></span><font size="5">&nbsp; </font></p>
<p><font size="5"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <font size="4">这才是问题的核心。如果一家公司从草图开始生产所有的东西,这将极大地提高其价格,也不会比从能满足其要求甚至更好的外部资源来采购零件更好。</font></span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size="5"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">&nbsp;&nbsp; <font size="4">也许,问题应该是自产机芯的价格合理吗?</font></span></font></p>
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<p><font size="4"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 这事情要看具体情形了。百达翡丽的“基础机芯”部门将一个标准的</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">240</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">机芯送去“装配”,在哪里它还得和从“复杂功能”部门的动储</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">/</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">月相模块相匹配。接着,它会安装在“表壳”部门(或公司</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">—</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">朗格就靠外部资源提供表壳)提供的表壳里。</span></font></p>
<p><font size="4"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 好了,每个部门的每个人都从一家公司领薪水,这和从不同的公司采购每个子部件有什么实质的不同吗?</span></font></p>
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雅典吗?
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好文!谢谢,辛苦了!
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<p>&nbsp; 回LS:这是OHSEAL、SHEK329 拥趸应该做的。</p>
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<p><b><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt">chris russell</span></b><span style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: Verdana; mso-hansi-font-family: Verdana; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">:</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">&nbsp; </span><span lang="EN-US" style="mso-bidi-font-family: Arial"><?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-comfficeffice" /><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-bidi-font-weight: bold">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-weight: bold">我们要找的一个词叫</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-bidi-font-weight: bold">“</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-weight: bold">基础机芯</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-bidi-font-weight: bold">”</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-weight: bold">。我无心贬低他人,但是我的自产机芯的定义是建立在基础机芯上的。对我来说,一只手表的基本的计时核心部分说明了这只机芯是什么,说明了谁得为这机芯负责。没有几百家,也有几十家了公司使用</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-bidi-font-weight: bold">2892</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-weight: bold">并进行改动,但它们从根本上说还是</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-bidi-font-weight: bold">2892</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-weight: bold">的。</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-bidi-font-weight: bold"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-bidi-font-weight: bold">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-weight: bold">我对基础机芯感兴趣的主要原因是我要知道在其基本功能方面,在毛坯。擒纵,摆轮,轮系等计时相关的方面,一只手表是否有创意和原创性。如果印在手表上的这个公司设计了这些,那它是自产机芯。如果,生产这些零件的机器也是这家公司的,那我就会更有兴趣。如果,这家公司的员工完成并装配了这只机芯,那就更好了。</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-bidi-font-weight: bold"> </span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-weight: bold">但是,所有的一切要从基础机芯开始说。别的一切都是别人赏的。</span><span lang="EN-US" style="mso-bidi-font-family: Arial"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span lang="EN-US" style="mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">&nbsp;</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">其次是专属机芯,诸如</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">FP</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">给宝珀生产的或</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Christoph Claret</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">给昆仑做的一些。从草图开始这些设计就是为一家公司干的,投资很大。这几乎能保证机芯是新的、有创意的。至少对我来说,这也是我很大部分的兴趣所在。</span><span lang="EN-US" style="mso-bidi-font-family: Arial"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span lang="EN-US" style="mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">&nbsp;</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; UN</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">确实是高质量的,他们用不着不好意思或申辩什么。但是,朗格,或</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">P</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">,或</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">JLC</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">根本就不必对为何他们的机芯应该被认为是自产的,去进行精心准备和理由充分的论证。我想,大家都知道不同之处在哪里了。</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">--------</span><span lang="EN-US" style="mso-bidi-font-family: Arial"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><b><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt">RogerP</span></b><span style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: Verdana; mso-hansi-font-family: Verdana; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">:</span><span lang="EN-US" style="mso-bidi-font-family: Arial"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">&nbsp;</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">显然,</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Schnyder</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">先生(</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">UN</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">的头头)选择了一款使用了来自外部资源的零件的</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">UN</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">改装</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">/</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">创新的最具辩护性的例子,但是,他们是否真正相信他们的修改使机芯变成他们自己的了。为什么他们(他们代表许多家手表公司,不仅仅是</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">UN</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">)如此不情愿的表明使用的基础机芯,或者至少承认使用了外部资源的机芯呢?</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">&nbsp; </span><span lang="EN-US" style="mso-bidi-font-family: Arial"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span lang="EN-US" style="mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">如</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Walt O. </span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">所说的,这层保密的面纱造成了不信任和怀疑。照我看,这层面纱只会起到把那些声称将普通的东西变成独一无二的人的可信性消蚀殆尽的作用。</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">&nbsp; </span><span lang="EN-US" style="mso-bidi-font-family: Arial"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span lang="EN-US" style="mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">无论如何,我难以接受任何改造的</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">ETA</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">能真的被说成和</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">JLC</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">或</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">P</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">或朗格意义上的自产机芯。这并不是说改造的基础机芯一点也不好,但毕竟不可以简单的将他们的和那些自己构思、设计和制造的机芯完全等同。极少数公司愿意或有能力去为创作自家机芯所需的基础制造设备上投资,这样的公司在手表发烧友的眼里就会有些特别了。不这样认为吗?问自己一个问题:你愿意花两万美元买一支装着</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">ETA2892</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">改造的偏心显示和大日历的</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Lange 1 </span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">吗?</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">当然,也会有一些极端的例子支持相反的观点</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">----</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">看看</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">IWC Grande Complication</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">里</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Valjoux</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">的痕迹。但是,像这样的例子少而有少。</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">&nbsp; </span><span lang="EN-US" style="mso-bidi-font-family: Arial"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span lang="EN-US" style="mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">底线</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">---</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">如果一个厂家在一个基础机芯上做了极大地改造,然后千方百计的告诉我们改造的地方和值得骄傲的创新在哪里,但也请告诉我们基础机芯是什么。不要光说机芯是自产的而假装基础机芯不存在。就是这样。</span><span lang="EN-US" style="mso-bidi-font-family: Arial"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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