图挂了不少啊

有木有TUDOR的计时历史啊？？呵呵

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OHSEAL 发表于 2012-1-20 23:03
这几年已无可能,有也是S贵.

日本乐天之前看到过，品不错，可惜没及时下手。

帝陀精彩之处在于此 。。。。。。     

厚德 发表于 2012-1-20 23:14
今天看了这帖
联想到前年隔壁论坛挂出了一块 价格8k
可一直没有卖出 不知道是不是有问题

快快去挖挖帖追击一下啊

又现老大强帖！！！！！

OHSEAL 发表于 2012-1-20 23:03
这几年已无可能,有也是S贵.

今天看了这帖
联想到前年隔壁论坛挂出了一块 价格8k
可一直没有卖出 不知道是不是有问题
斧头针

厚德 发表于 2012-1-20 23:00
徐老师 近期还能见到好品斧头针吗？

这几年已无可能,有也是S贵.

徐老师 近期还能见到好品斧头针吗？

1.带日历的版本没那个带劲
2.中型的中古潜水表玩的价值远低于正大装款
牢记！

很不错的资料，徐老师费心拉

感谢徐老师的资料！

Tudor Submariner Reference 7928

The Tudor Reference 7928 is perhaps one of the most classic Tudor sports models. It saw a long production run from approximatly 1960 (earliest caseback we have seen is an IV.59 with a 300.xxx serial) till approximatly 1968. There are several versions of the 7928. In broad overview there are two reference groups. The 7928 and the 7928/0. The /0 was added to many tudor references in the mid 60's to denote stainless steel - in a similar fashion as Rolex did with their models. Within the two main groups, a large amount of variations exist. Many of those are pictured in this section.

It is quite complex to chart all the dial variations of the 7928. First of all, these watches due to their lower price point (and also several versions used for military use) have had questionable service histories. This means that dials may have been changed back and forth, redone, relumed, repainted or even faked. In this section we will do our best to describe the known varieties.

The early 7928's feature the "** dial" where a inner ring is printed on the dial a few milimeters from the edge.

The upper half of the dial features the classic small Tudor Rose. Underneath the text " Oyster-Prince ". The bottom portion differs a bit from model to model - but typically they feature the " 200m = 660ft " (denoting depth rating of course), then " SUBMARINER " and the two last lines " Rotor " and " Self-winding " - which of course denoted the automatic movement.

The following dial variations have been found so far: (I am certain there are a few more at least)

MK I. Always cased in a Square Crown case. Gilt writing. Gilt track.
MK II. Gilt track - silver writing
MK III. Silver writing and no track
MK IV. Oridnary writing and markers similar to Rolex 5513

At least 4 case variations have been seen. The early "Square" (quite unique) crownguards (** dial). One variation of pointed crownguards (1962-63, ** dial) and minium two variations of the round crownguards.

The crystal for these cases are all Tropic 19. This is shared with (amongst others) the Rolex 5512 and 5513 Submariners. Case and look wise - these are the ones closest to the Tudor Reference 7928. It is fair to say that the 7928 is the "poor mans" version of the 5513. (i.e. not chronometer certified).

这表被称为最够味的老潜水帝舵.

Tudor Submariner Reference 7016/0 & 7021/0

It has been discussed for years why the Reference 7016 & 7021 Submariners were introduced. First seen around 1968 (verfiable) they feature a long list of changes compared to the Reference 7928. First of all there are two of them. :-) The 7016 features a non-date layout while the 7021 features a layout with a Date mechanism. If we look at the Rolex world, this co-incides with the realease of the 1680 - the Rolex Submariner with a date. So, this "explains" why the 7021 was introduced. By why add the 7016 ?

The reason is most likely movements. The 7928 featured the cal. 390 automatic movement, bought from Fleurier (FEF). During the 60's almost all Tudor models disbanded the various movement manufactureres and went pure ETA. (Exception of course being the Tudor Advisor with the proprietary alarm clock movement). The Cal 390. was first seen in early Tudor automatics (most famous the Tudor Oyster 34) from 1951-52 - so realistically the movement has seen at least 16 years of service. And the base is even older. The combination of a pure ETA movement strategy (well, untill the Chronos were introduced 2 years later) and the fact that training and mechanical service would be much easier when the date and non-date Submariners used the same base - resulted in the death of the 7928.

To add to the complexity - both versions came with the choice of dial color. Either blue or black. Case dimensions and overall design was more or less identical to the 7928. Interestingly enough, the very first 7016 featured the same dial layout as the 7928. (Rose dial with the 4 lines on the bottom half of the dial). These (in the examples I have seen) feature a semi-pointed crownguard case. And most likely not produced for very long. Subsequently the dial layout changed to the classic "Snowflake" design with square markers and square hands.

In the past, collectors have speculated that the black dial versions were "disbanded" and the blue color versions were introduced instead, as they had better dials. This is incorrect. We have seen 7021's as early as mid 1968 with pale blue dials, with classic dial rot and a nice roulette style date wheel. 100% original, 1 owner piece. So, more than likely, the black and blue dials co-existed - and were both prone to rot.

Technically the 7016 features a ETA Cal. 2483. It's a 25 jewel movement (as opposed to the 17j cal. 390 in the older Reference 7928). In the Tudor / Rolex technical service manuals it is designated as 2461-2483. In the past this covers an internal and an external reference number.

The 7021 features the cal. 2484. Main difference is of course the date feature.

It should be noted that in Rolex documentation the references are other denoted as 7016 or 7016/0 - and 7021 or 7021/0. The addition of the /0 was a common reference changed, started by Rolex and Tudor in the middle of the 60's. However, there seems to be no system as to when the different references changed from the classic 4 digits to the 4+/0 digit system. The /0 of course describes the case material as stainless steel (as it does in Rolex models). In my experience all 7016 and 21 series watches have the /0. If anyone has seen one without the /, please email me a scan.

The 7016 and 7021 ended production circa 1975 when the 9401 and 9411 models were introduced in their place. In our findings it seems that the serial # range for these watches are:

620.000 serial till 780.000 serial. (1968-1975).

* Should be noted that Military issued MN 7016's have been seen with serials up in the 820.000' range. Which is nearly a year later than 9401/11 introduction. Most likely due to either Rolex selling old cases off to DOD customers, or more likely a specific order from the MN, requesting 7016.

We are still working on figuring out which Rolex dial produceres were making the dials for the 70xx series Submariners. We have seen dial rot in models up to and including 1975. Since 7016 and 7021's with GOOD dials have been spotted in the collectors community, it would indicate that they are either service dials, or that some of the dials produced in the 7 year window, actually did not develop dial rot. More details about this at a later point.

只有无放大镜的版本才用泡镜,很多后换的带了棱边.

Tudor Submariner Reference 9401/0 & 9411/0

Work in progress

The next generation of Submariners, following the 7016/7021 are the 9401/0 and 9411/0. These watches feature an option of blue or black dials. They exist in various variations.

9401/0 - Produced circa. 1975-76. Non-Date. Blue or black dial with "snowflake" markers and hands.
9411/0 - Produced circa. 1975-76. Date. Blue or black dial with "snowflake" markers and hands.
94010 - Produced circa. 1976-83. Till circa 1980 (the introduction of 5 digit serials, reverted) had the "Snowflake" design. From circa. 1980-83 - Triangle markered dials.
94110 - Produced circa. 1976-83. Till circa 1980 (the introduction of 5 digit serials, reverted) had the "Snowflake" design. From circa. 1980-83 - Triangle markered dials.

The 94010 Snowflake is most notably known for it's use by the Franch Navy. And it is the only "verifiable" Military watch other than the Rolex Military 5513/5517's. These were of course also sold in fairly big numbers in the civilian market.

The non-date 9401/0 (and later 94010) featured a Cal. 2776 movement. ETA based - modified by Tudor. The Date versions (9411/0 and 94110) featured a cal 2784.

斧头针版本,

Tudor Submariner Reference 76100.

The 76100 is interesting indeed. It is one of the "low production" transitional watches that Tudor excelled in. The 76100 only existed with a date. Whats interesting is that it seems that it was produced along side the 94110. Optically it is identical to the later 94110 (with triangle marker matté tritium dial) - however it had different hands - including a big bubble - hours hands which is quite distinct.

Earliest 76100 serial seen is 64.000 range - which is litrally a few hundred numbers away from the last 94010. Interestingly enough the Rolex R20 manual from 1984 does not feature the 76100. This leads me to believe it was introduced in 84. To further complicate matters, the 94010 in question is a MN83 (Marine Nationale, issued in 1983) so there seems to be a gap in the serial numbers - perhaps even a production halt for a period of time ?

带日历的版本没那个带劲了.

后面的大家都知道了,

79090,

79190,

89190.

注意:

中型的中古潜水表玩的价值远低于正大装款.